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Poster: sparky999255 Date: May 16, 2007 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD second and third orignal lp mixes

I have this: (I'll admit...I've never listened to it though)

Grateful Dead
9-68 to 3-69
Pacific Recording Studios - San Mateo, CA

Source: Ampex 16-track tape > LP > 24-bit, 44.1 kHz WAV > 16-bit, 44.1 kHz WAV > SHN
A>D transfer: Linn LP12/Lingo turntable, Linn Ittok tonearm, Lyra Helikon cartridge,
PS Audio PCA-2 preamplifier, M Audio Audiophile USB external, A/C powered sound card

This is the original mix of Aoxomoxoa, which was released commercially between June 1969 and late 1971.
In September, 1971, Jerry Garcia did a major remix of the entire album, eliminating a considerable amount
of the backing material and trimming the beginning and end of a few songs. The LPs, cassettes, and CDs
available commercially since that time contain the remix. There appear to be no plans to commercially release
this original mix, so it is being made available to the broader community.

To sustain the ethical integrity of this process, please do not download these files unless you are already in
possession of a commercial release of Aoxomoxoa and would like to compare it with the original mix.

The LP copy from which this was derived is in VG condition, and the analog equipment used to extract the
sound from the grooves is near state of the art. There is some minor surface noise audible in the quietest passages,
but not obtrusive even then, and almost no tracking distortion.

Disc 1: (38:02)

1. St Stephen (4:26)
2. Dupree's Diamond Blues (3:40)
3. Rosemary (2:04)
4. Doin' That Rag (5:14)
5. Mountains of the Moon (4:11)
6. China Cat Sunflower (4:16)
7. What's Become of the Baby (8:27)
8. Cosmic Charlie (5:40)

Not sure if this is what you're looking for?

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: May 17, 2007 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD second and third orignal lp mixes

sparky,

I'd love to download a copy of that mix you have - lmk how.

I've bought Aoxomoxoa a few times over the years, most recently the pre-Rhino version on cd.

Have the original mix from a scratchy lp on cassette, bad copy but I listen to it at least once a year... it's a crazy mix, playful, full of weird choruses, electronic effects not heard on the remix.

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: May 17, 2007 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD second and third orignal lp mixes

If you use a bit torrent site I could try to post it there? Or I can mail you a copy if that doesn't work. Just let me know and I'll do what I can.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: May 18, 2007 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD second and third orignal lp mixes

sparky-

just got back from running 'round town and my 1st stop on the super-highway was this thread.

thanks for your kind reply!

don't have an active bit torrent account...
unless my dime-a-dozen account registery hasn't expired from inactivity!
lmk.

Will haunt the record isles until I find a true VG copy.

Ace bro-
ken

This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2007-05-18 21:53:23

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: May 20, 2007 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD second and third orignal lp mixes

I can mail you a copy if you would like. Sorry, to answer this so late, but somehow the e-mail notification of a reply slipped by me until now. If you respond to this I should get your message and we can go from there.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 17, 2007 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD second and third orignal lp mixes

this exists as well, and though i'm not much into outtakes and such, this is some cool stuff; can send via post if interested:

Aoxomoxoa Studio Sessions Outtakes 1969

Sandy Troy's TC366 3.75ips Reel->DAT2->CDR

01 Saint Stephen>
02 The Eleven #
03 The Barbed Wire Whipping Party *
04 Doing That Rag #1 &
05 Duprees Diamond Blues %
06 -unknown instrumental-
07 China Cat Sunflower @
08 Cozmic Charlie
09 Doing That Rag #2 !
10 Mountains Of The Moon ^
11 Whats Become Of The Baby? $

Alan Bershaw's A1040SL 7.5ips Reel->DAT->CDR

12. Rosemary
13. Mountains Of The Moon

# Skip at the beginning of The Eleven, the jam at the end fades out
* 0:06- Barbed Wire removed small cut,0:41- removed pop in left channel (!=pop "the B!arbed wire...")
0:57- removed pop
& 1:02- The Rag small bit of noise I could not remove, its hardly audible
3:13-3:19 fade out & in small subsecond silence removed,
% Dupree's fades in
@ 1:25-1:28 fade out & in
! 0:30- 3 seconds of silence
^ 0:30- removed small noise sounding like tape starting immediately following a cut and prior to any music or Jerry singing starts
$ 2:49- noise and cut present

Cd > eac > cool edit pro > shntool > cdwav > shnv3 by Ernie Dodd

I did not want to edit this too much because these are rought cuts and the flaws are part of the character. Instead, I tried to note them. Only minor editing was performed as described above. Additionally, I did take out a few of the small segments of silence between tracks. I did not make any adjustments to the levels.

Enjoy!!

Discs were kindly provided by Stu Hanson who comments below:

These copies kick the sh*t out of the versions circulating from those Unsurpassed Masters bootleg CDs. These derive from a 3.75ips reel belonging to Sandy Troy with two additional tracks supplied by a 7.5ips reel belonging to Alan Bershaw.

Sandy's reel has all the material that has circulated before and its likely that many of the copies out there trace back to this reel. We *think* this material derives from the original 8 track studio sessions (that were abandoned in favor of using the first 16 track, which had just become available in 1969.)

The two cuts from Alan's reel, Rosemary & Mountains Of The Moon, sound like the same versions recorded for the album, but they seem to be only Garcia's acoustic guitar and vocal tracks, without all the overdubs. They are definitely not to be confused with the earlier mixes that were originally released on the 1969 version of the album. These two tracks have not circulated widely. They are both excellent quality and very beautiful!

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: May 18, 2007 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD second and third orignal lp mixes


Aoxomoxoa outtakes on the Archive -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-xx-xx.sbd.dodd.16760.sbeok.shnf

The album is the opposite of live, taking the 2 dimensions of studio recording to the absolute height - one of the 1st 16 track lps...
No Pigpen songs, no Weir lead vocals, it's perhaps the precursor of the 1st solo Garcia lp.

The final product is pure Grateful Dead, and it boasts one of the top album covers (Rick Griffin/Weir) in the psych mood. Yikes!

But like a hologram of a hot potato, it's a technical marvel (for it's time) yet comes off less like magic than ledgerdemain... is that why Jerry toned it down for the next genre ace n'... or was it all jest an an inside joke.

Why (did they - or Jerry -) remix it, I haven't read or heard yet, info please...

One comes away amazed but hungry. All the songs sound better live, though the crazed artistry of Garcia and co.'s nova blast of artificial/natural sounds. Weired but only the beginning of the perennial primal GD.

The sheer weight of the original mix with layers of studio gimmickery is at least shameless, the height of the SF acid band zap trip while the remix tries to slip under the radar and gets caught in it's own barbed wire.

Live Dead was in some ways their greatest live album, again, it was among the very first 16 track records - live this time.

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Poster: nameismike1969 Date: May 16, 2007 7:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD second and third orignal lp mixes

I feel very embarrassed but you know I am so overwhelmed by some many GD materials that I own the rhino box set. I have been listening more from here. that I thought what I didn't have I own. Sorry I will end this post. Thanks for the understanding. ( I wonder what the remix of Anthem sounds like...or is there one? )

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: May 16, 2007 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: GD second and third orignal lp mixes

You still don't have the Aoxomoxoa original mix, so get it from the transcribed version noted here if you can. Anthem remix is not as much different from original mix as Aoxomoxoa is.